Beyond the Abduction Experience – An Interview With Kathleen Marden


Kathleen Marden is a leading UFO abduction researcher, author and lecturer with 25 years experience in the field. She is the Director of Experiencer Research at MUFON (Mutual UFO Network) and a board member and research consultant at the Foundation for Research into Extraterrestrial Encounters (FREE). In 2012, she was the recipient of MUFON’s “UFologist of the Year” award. Please see the end of this article for more information on her work.

MTPS:

First I’d like to thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to talk with us. For those readers who are unfamiliar with your background, could you tell us how you became involved in the UFO phenomena?

Kathleen Marden:

KMarden2It is indeed my pleasure. Thank you for inviting me to speak with you.

My interest in UFOs dates back to September 20, 1961, when my aunt, Betty Hill, phoned my childhood home to report that she and my uncle Barney had encountered a flying saucer in New Hampshire’s White Mountains. Because it hovered only 100 feet or so over their vehicle, she was concerned that she and Barney had been contaminated. She was also concerned about the figures on the craft that Barney said were “somehow not human”. A primary witness to the evidence of the UFO encounter and the aftermath, I have all of Betty’s files, plus intimate knowledge of the Hill’s biographical histories, investigation reports, hypnosis tapes, and scientific interest in their sensational experience. This led me on a journey of exploration, leaving no stone unturned, to find answers through scholarly work, investigation, and archival research. Today, I am recognized as the world’s leading expert on the Betty and Barney Hill abduction.

In addition to this, I expanded my research and investigative interests to human/alien contact. My background in the social sciences has shaped my interest in scientific ufology. Extensive research and investigation has convinced me that some UFOs and alien encounters are real. I most enjoy social research and the history of government involvement in UFOs.

MTPS:BettyandBarneyHill

I read the book you coauthored with Stan Friedman (Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience) and was struck by how rigorously you both stuck to the evidence – checking background stories, considering alternate possibilities, relying on laboratory evidence, and seeking corroborating testimony. And you continue with that methodology in your current research. For example, you don’t accept that anyone who remembers an alien abduction experience under hypnosis is a true experiencer. Could you tell us a little bit about corroborating evidence you like to have?

Kathleen Marden:

I use rigorous research methodology when I investigate a suspected alien abduction or contact experience. Initially, I attempt to find a prosaic explanation for an event by investigating the witness. I ask questions that will assist in determining the individual’s character, level of achievement, and mental health status. I ask for a complete account of their witness’s event/s. With the witness’s assistance, I attempt to collect physical evidence. We look for unusual marks on the witness’s body, not scratches or bruises, but specific markings. We look for fluorescence using a UV black light. We measure magnetic, electromagnetic and electrical fields and look for elevated levels of radioactivity. I advise suspected experiencers to keep a detailed journal of their events and document their own evidence. Sometimes people install motion activated infrared cameras on their property. The cameras have not recorded evidence of non-human entities. But they have shut down unexpectedly for approximately two hours after recording images of witnesses who seem hyper-vigilant. This is not evidence of an event, but it is evidence of an anomalous occurrence, especially when the frames are numbered and dated.

MTPS:

How about hypnosis? Reading through the literature, several UFologists seem to rely heavily on information that is only revealed when a person is under hypnosis.

Kathleen Marden:

With regard to hypnosis for an investigation, I prefer the forensic method with two or more witnesses. This was the only form of hypnosis that was admissible in a court of law. Currently, hypnosis is not considered reliable as evidence in a court hearing, despite evidence that it can be very accurate. The problem lies in the propensity of some individuals to confabulate, especially when the hypnotist has an agenda or the client has extensive knowledge of the subject matter. I realize that many experiencers have been traumatized by their events, so my motto is “Do not harm.” Often, hypnotherapy and support groups are beneficial.

MTPS:

Is there anything that people who believe they’ve been abducted can do themselves, or should they rely on outside investigators?

Kathleen Marden:

My team (ERT) at MUFON and I offer training to experiencers on how to collect their own evidence. Many people question the validity of their memories. It is impossible for investigators to experience an abductee’s subjective events. Therefore, we educate experiencers on how to investigate their own incidents. Our team is well versed on alien abduction and contact, so we are familiar with the contact phenomenon with regard to what seems alien or extraterrestrial and what seems paranormal of internally generated. Some members of the ERT are experiencers and some are hypnotherapists. One is a retired medical doctor. And two are retired psychologists. Regardless of the cause, we attempt to support the people who are having these unusual experiences. We are compassionate, not dismissive.

MTPS:

In 2013 you, along with your coauthor of The Alien Abduction Files Denise Stoner, published a study of abduction experiencers that sought to determine whether there were commonalities among those who experienced alien abduction. Were you able to draw any conclusions?

Kathleen Marden:

The “UFO Abduction Experiencer Questionnaire” listed 45 multiple choice questions pertaining to experiencers’ demographics, abduction memories, emotional responses, physiological responses, and psychic phenomena. The Commonalities among Non-Abductees Questionnaire”, queried individuals who denied having been abducted by aliens. It was developed after the first questionnaire had been available for several months, and a commonalities trend had emerged to determine whether or not some of the commonalities among abduction experiencers are common across the general population. In the end, we discovered 23 commonalities among experiencers that were not common among the general population. Our report is available at http://www.kathleen-marden.com/commonalities-study-final-report.php.

Some of the commonalities among abduction experiencers are as follows:

  • Alien176% were not alone at the time they were taken.
  • 62% of the witnesses recalled the experience.
  • 88% had conscious recall of part of an event.
  • 67% had conscious recall of observing a craft at less than 1000 feet prior to their abduction.
  • 56% had conscious recall of observing non-human entities prior to a contact event when they were outside their home.
  • 43% had witnesses who observed an unconventional craft outside their home prior to a contact event.
  • 58% have memories of undergoing a medical examination on a craft.
  • 50% believe that they’ve been taken more than 10 times.
  • 88% have witnessed paranormal activity in their homes.
  • 74% have difficulty falling asleep at night.
  • 83% have found unusual, unexplained marks on their bodies that were not common scratches or bruises.
  • 69% of the women experienced gynecological problems that they felt were related to abduction.
  • 68% have experienced electromagnetic anomalies in their homes immediately after an incident.
  • 53% can feel a foreign object in their bodies that they believe might be an implant.
  • 38% have a medical diagnosis of CFIDS or chronic mono, whereas it is less than 1% in the general population.

MTPS:

Did anything surprise you about the results?

Kathleen Marden:

I was surprised to learn that experiencers in their 50s, 60s, and 70s are still being contacted. Also, 64% were taken for the first time at less than age 15. 51% reported that they’d been contacted (taken) more than 10 times and only 2 of 50 participants believed that they’d been taken only once. The experiencers who reported only one contact had more in common with the control group than with the experiencer group.

MTPS:

Did you find that what happens during the abduction experience changes or evolves over time? For example, when a person is abducted at age 60, does the same thing happen during that experience as when he or she was abducted at age 20?

Kathleen Marden:

Yes, I have discovered that the abduction experience changes over time. In general, older experiencers seem more settled and less fearful. The reproductive experiments have ended and the new experience seems somewhat transformative. Older experiencers report that they sometimes receive enlightening messages, healings, and new implants. They feel that they possess knowledge that they are not able to retrieve, but believe that something of significant will occur in the near future.

MTPS:

Do you have any insight as to why some people are selected as abductees and not others? Do they have any special characteristics or does it seem random?

Kathleen Marden:

I suspect that abductees (experiencers) have characteristics that the aliens find desirable. Most experiencers have reported to me that they special qualities such as empathy and intuition. Most are kind, caring individuals who view themselves as members of humanity, not as members of warring factions. However, I have also communicated with individuals, especially military warriors, who have been treated poorly by their abductors. It seems that they are viewed as possessing primitive and apelike characteristics. The humans are very resentful of this negative treatment.

 MTPS:

What are the ETs doing here? Abduction experiencers mention biological samples, the creation of hybrid children, ecological education, and the raising of people’s vibration. Do you get the sense that the different ETs are coordinating work within the same overall program, or do they have different agendas?

Kathleen Marden:

For many years, experiencers have reported the alien’s concern over mankind’s destructive behavior. We have not been good stewards of our planet, and therefore have created potential environmental disasters. This leads me to suspect that they are performing a longitudinal study of human genetics and behavioral characteristics that might lead to positive change. A small percentage of experiencers have reported MILAB encounters, which seem to be less altruistic. (Note: MILAB is shorthand for a deceitful military operation performed to convince the targets of the operation that they have had an encounter with extraterrestrial beings, which is actually a staged ploy.) Several researchers believe that we are undergoing an alien integration process into human society. I must state that I am a conservative researcher and although I do suspect that genetic manipulation is occurring, I have not found evidence that an ET race is in the process of replacing humans.

MTPS:

Many of the abductees in your study reported increased psi abilities and/or paranormal experiences occurring in their homes after being abducted. You’ve also been able to measure the electrical field of five abductees within a short time of their abductions, and found that their bodies registered as having higher-than-normal electrical fields as measured by a TriField Natural EM meter. I’m venturing into speculation here, but could this be a result of having their vibrations raised? Maybe these abductions are triggering abilities that are not bestowed by these ETs, but that are lying largely dormant within humanity and are a natural element of the human condition.

Kathleen Marden:

Researchers have offered differing conjectures with regard to the changes that take place among experiencers. It is my wish that material scientists would examine this very unique process. I want to make it clear that the higher-than-normal electrical fields measured on the TriField meter were unique to the experiencers. Denise Stoner and I also measured the ambient environment and the electrical fields around control subjects immediately after we measured the electrical/electromagnetic fields around experiencers. Only the experiencers registered elevated electrical fields. The changes that occur in abductees are very similar to the changes that occur in near-death experiencers. This has led me to speculate that the process of atomic deconstruction of the human body, when it is passes through a solid object during the abduction procedure, leads to a separation of the soul/consciousness from the physical body. Perhaps this awakens psi abilities in both contact experiencers and dear-death experiencers. But I could be wrong.

MTPS:

AlienAbductionIt’s not something easily quantified, but many people dwell on the spiritual development aspect of being abducted. The late John Mack, for example, wrote of how abductees initially experienced not only terror, but also a shattering of their previously held ideas of reality. If they were able to eventually move beyond the terror, these abductees often realized that they had encountered “intense vibrational energies” that profoundly affected their consciousness and caused an “awakening.” However, in The Alien Abduction Files, you quote one abductee who eloquently stated: “Yes, I have grown emotionally and spiritually. However, I attribute the growth to my inner resources; not to an alien creature whose interference in my life created turmoil. I would no more thank a devastating accident for occurring in my life, regardless of the growth caused by my survival of a traumatic event. We must learn to differentiate between outcome and catalyst, or we will forever run in fear as victims, or worship at the feet of a false god.”

Do you have any reflections on this?

Kathleen Marden:

The abductee you quoted above – “D. Lynne Bishop” – and her family have undergone experiences so profound that she feels she must reveal her truth. However, if she were to disclose her true identity, she and her family would risk having life as they know it shattered. Her story is startling, yet has been confirmed by witnesses. Her multigenerational alien abduction history spans more than 50 years. It extends to her mother, sister, brother, husband, nieces and nephews. It involves serial abductions by non-human entities (Greys and perhaps Insectoids). All have repeatedly been taken aboard craft and subjected to intrusive medical procedures. It has had a disruptive and damaging impact upon their lives. Although she is childless, she believes that she has been used as part of a breeding program to produce hybrids. Her personal statement, “Whatever these aliens are, wherever they come from, can’t we meet them, not as children, not as supplicants on our knees begging for an end to our ills, but instead on equal footing, standing eye-to-eye, as responsible adults?”, reveals her perception of an alien race that has assumed an elevated position over humans. Rightfully so, she objects to our perception of them as spiritually enlightened beings.

Lynne had a close relationship with the late Karla Turner, PhD, who wrote, ““Before we allow ourselves to believe in the benevolence of the alien interpretation we should ask, do enlightened beings need to use the cover of night to perform good deeds? Do they need to paralyze us and render us helpless to resist? Do angels need to steal our fetuses? Do they need to manipulate our children’s genitals and probe our rectums? Are fear, pain and deception consistent with high spiritual motives?”

It appears that although Lynn has grown spiritually and emotionally, she believes that it can be attributed to her inner resources, not to a relationship with spiritually enlightened beings. She is entitled to her opinion.

MTPS:

What do you think – or hope – are the next steps for us in human-alien encounters?

Kathleen Marden:

Alien2This is a difficult question. My visceral reaction is to state that I hope alien visitors will not disclose their presence on a worldwide scale. It would be too disruptive to those who interpret it as an alien invasion. Historically, even when the relationship has been friendly and non-exploitative, a technologically advanced society’s dominant cultural values have had a negative impact upon the less technologically advanced society. In comparison to their technologically advanced status, we are militarily powerless. We cannot prevent alien abduction, so we deny its existence and marginalize experiencers. However, if we were to acknowledge the reality of alien contact, we would be forced to admit that we are militarily powerless. In my opinion, we cannot disclose the alien presence until we can reassure humanity that they are not in danger. Safety and security are the key issues. Any deviation from the status quo could be disruptive. Disclosure must be approached very carefully.

My hope is that we are undergoing a slow process of genetic manipulation that will result in a higher level of human consciousness and spirituality. Perhaps when we transform into a less primitive species, we will be invited to join the cosmic neighborhood. Until that time, we will be perceived as a threat to our cosmic neighbors, especially as we develop the technology that will carry our exploitative behavior to them.

MTPS:

If you could change one thing surrounding the investigation of UFOs and ET abductions, what would that be?

Kathleen Marden:

My hope, as an experiencer advocate, is that our society will begin to treat experiencers with respect and dignity. Experiencers have been vilified and marginalized for far too long. My full statement is available at www.kathleen-marden.com. It reads in part, “Those whose experiences, appearance or values place them outside politically, religiously, or socially accepted norms find themselves on the receiving end of ridicule and harassment by outspoken members of the dominant cultural group. Much of this is emotionally driven through fear and the desire to maintain the status quo. However, some of it is generated by a loathsome desire to control target groups through intimidation, harassment and persecution. This discrimination is politically sanctioned by the powers that be and the dominant culture to the detriment of the target group. It occurs in our society both subtly and pervasively to experiencers and those who’ve expressed an interest in UFOs…

How many UFO reports are simply written off as “identified” by biased, unscientific or ignorant skeptics? This type of biased reporting serves only to reduce the percentage of “Unknowns” and leads the public to believe that UFOs and abductions are misperceptions or figments of our collective imaginations…

MTPS:

So you believe the testimony by individuals regarding UFOs is treated differently than their testimony on other issues?

Kathleen Marden:

Yes; thousands of witnesses from around the world, whose testimony on any other subject is accepted without question, face skepticism and ridicule when they report close encounters and contact with otherworldly beings. I have interviewed medical doctors, lawyers, psychologists, college professors, pilots, military officers, scientists, oil field workers, truck drivers, homemakers, computer scientists, housekeepers, teachers, and nurses who’ve expressed memories of being abducted by aliens. Intelligent, honorable, rational individuals are unfairly identified by skeptical investigators as “kooks, cranks, attention seekers, money grubbers and outright liars”. Scientists are labeled “unscientific and paranoid”. This disrespectful assessment serves those with a vested interest in suppressing the truth and ensuring that credible experiencers remain hidden. They promote their negative agenda by deceptively stating that they are adhering to scientific methodology, when in fact they are doing nothing of the kind.

My investigation has revealed that some credible abduction/ET contact reports are quickly written off as sleep paralysis, sleep hallucinations, temporal lobe epilepsy, etc, when the evidence begs further investigation. In many cases, the diagnosis simply does not fit the symptoms. Sometimes in the tradition of Philip J. Klass, witnesses are asked to submit medical records dating back to their mother’s pregnancy, to extract the tiniest bits of information that might discredit the witness. Youthful indiscretions are touted for the purpose of destroying the upstanding adult’s reputation. Experiencers, many of whom are only seeking a nonjudgmental listener, are treated like criminals. Groups that offer emotional support are vilified. Abduction victims are sometimes mistreated by the humans they contact seeking support. It is a nasty game.

MTPS:

With all the potential risks associated with publicly disclosing their UFO encounters, I’m a bit surprised that any experiencer is willing to talk about it at all.

Kathleen Marden:

Yes, despite the negative consequences, UFO witnesses, experiencers and researchers are courageously stepping forward to share their truth pertaining to their sightings and abductions. Commonalities have been identified. Detailed descriptions of the craft’s interior have been documented by those with a genuine interest in the science behind ET technology. Information imparted to experiencers by ETs is being recorded in order to identify commonalities for scientific exploration. Photographs of unique patterned marks are being catalogued. ET physics information is being evaluated by theoretical physicists. This is an important time in UFO history.

Academic studies indicate that the higher the level of educational attainment, the more likely a person is to believe UFOs are real. Yet the uninformed public has been conditioned to treat experiencers as kooks, cranks or demons, by a few vocal and exceedingly nasty negativists. This form of suppression is present not only among debunkers, but also among some members of the UFO community. One skeptic smugly informed me that no experiencer could pass a psychological evaluation. According to his statements, anyone who thinks they’ve been abducted is either lying, attention seeking, or in it for the money. He is either naïve, misinformed or promoting a negative agenda. The fact is that many experiencers have submitted to psychological evaluations and have tested normal.

MTPS:

Are there people who try to fake having had an alien abduction experience? Why would they do so?

Kathleen Marden:

Studies indicate that only a small minority attempts to perpetrate hoaxes. The perpetrators are generally motivated by a desire for fame or fortune, but good investigation uncovers the truth. I’ve caught a few, all of whom reside in the margins of society due to mental illness or low intelligence. This is not to say that all hoaxes are perpetrated by marginal personalities. Some self impressed skeptics and immature young people have perpetrated hoaxes upon the UFO community, and later confessed. (A word of warning: I have never met an experiencer who became wealthy by promoting his or her story. The truth is that most face ridicule, harassment and financial loss. It is a difficult path to follow.)

Alien3MTPS:

Any final thoughts?

 Kathleen Marden:

It is time for the laughter to cease! It is time for the discrimination to end! It is time for experiencers to be treated with respect and consideration! Together, we can effect change.”

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Kathleen Marden is a leading UFO and abduction researcher, author, and lecturer. She is associated with the Mutual UFO Network, as its Director of Experiencer Research and the Foundation for Research into Extraterrestrial Encounters, as an advisory board member and consultant to its research subcommittee. Kathleen has written three books, Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience, and Science Was Wrongwith nuclear physicist/scientific ufologist Stanton T. Friedman, and The Alien Abduction Files, with Denise Stoner. In addition to this, her essays have been published in several other books. In 2012, she spearheaded an extensive research project, with Denise Stoner, to identify little known commonalities among experiencers. She is currently working on two research projects: MUFON’s Experiencer Survey and FREE’s Experiencer Questionnaire. Her articles have been published in the MUFON UFO Journal, Open Minds, Alternate Perceptions and FATE magazines and on several websites. You can find out more about Kathy and her work at www.kathleen-marden.com

 

 

 

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2 Comments

  1. Do you think this parallels your sources of channeled materials ? Do you think there is a relationship between alien contacts and OBEs?

  2. No to a connection between who/whatever is involved with alien abductions and the sources of my channeled materials – quite a different feel. I don’t know about any relationship between alien contacts and OBEs; I’d imagine that an altered state of consciousness could assist in making contact with other intelligent entities, but I’ve never been able to do OBEs with any consistency or for any length of time that would allow me to say yes or no.

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